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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Iris » Tue 21st Jul 2020

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Happy belated weekend, this was a beast of a chapter :lol: Everybody hanging in there, or does anybody want us to wait a bit?
Chapter length was fine, I actually did the reading right on schedule. But taking notes continues to be a challenge, so I always end up having to read twice :lol: Once just reading and getting into the story and once for analysis. I didn't get around to the second reading last week, so I'll just comment on the thoughts posted here so I'm on schedule again.
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It makes sense to me now that I know this was meant to be the last book - and even then, it was said in the epilogue (I think) that Artemis would use Juliet if needed for protection
I didn't know this was meant to be the last book either. Maybe Eoin intentionally left it vague? By both mention his age and that he'll live longer, he leaves open the option for Butler to be fit and participate in a next book after all.
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Artemis's immediate reaction to someone he cares about being in danger now seems to be "get Holly." It'll be interesting to see what that translates to once it's Holly herself in trouble.
True. If I had a friend with magical powers, I'd probably be very tempted to ask their help for every emergency too. But, after realizing nothing can be so convenient without a price, his reaction should change anyway.
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A fairly common concept for magic in media is that it comes with a price, usually in a spiritual sense. Here, the theory is that the magic inspires a positivity. Based off this, do you think Artemis's eventual turn from Dark to Light was inspired or caused by his various encounters with fairy magic? Being healed and even wielding it?
I really like this theory! I believe meeting the fairies led to his change but always thought of it as Holly and co encouraging him to be a better person. The idea of being exposed to their magic having a part to play is really interesting, I think it is definitely possible!
I personally think Artemis is wrong about this one. Like artymon said, there's no other evidence of anyone changing their whole personality based on magic. I get the impression that Artemis has such an entrenched idea of who his father is that nothing worldly could possibly change that, when in truth his father had just been through a year of horrible conditions brought upon him directly because of the kind of person he was. Angeline tells him that this is the way Artemis Sr. used to be, maybe going through so much trauma reminded him of what's important.

So I don't think Artemis Jr.'s change was because of magic, either - at least not in a literal sense. Metaphorically speaking, I suppose it definitely was fairy magic that brought him around. Meaning, I do think it was mostly because of Holly's encouragement and example :)
Interesting topic that definitely sparks some discussion! I don't think Artemis Jr. changed because of magic. He has shown to have a bit of a conscious from the start and having role models and friends allow that to grow.
For Artemis Sr, however, I think Artemis might have a point in fairy magic having played a part. I don't think they'd magically cure somone's bad personality, but we've seen here that magic can restore mental illnesses (as shown with Artemis' mother). We've also seen that magic can do slightly more than heal the injury or disease itself (shown in this chapter by the increased lifespan). And I think with Artemis' mother, somewhere it was written that because of the time stop, the remaining magic would make anyone in that spot feel a little extra cheery? Artemis Sr. had been through a coma and some pretty horrible conditions, as Battery pointed out. What if there had been brain damage or mental trauma and the healing did slightly more than just restore that, causing him to regress to a personality he had years before? Makes one wonder if fairy magic could cure diseases like dementia.
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by artymon I\/ » Sun 26th Jul 2020

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Chapter 4: Running in the Family

I didn't have any notes for this chapter - just another distracted rant.

In chapter 3, we learn Butler is 40 years old and here we learn Juliet is 18. Quite an age gap! 22 years.
This naturally sets my mind ablaze with questions like...
Are Domovoi's parents the same as Juliet's? Perhaps they're only half siblings? It's certainly possible they have the same parents, for me it just seems like a fairly substantial age difference. Not what I would call common.
Are their parents still alive? They're never mentioned, in fact, relatively little is known about the Butler family tree beyond Juliet, Domovoi, and an Uncle "Major"

The takeaway could be Juliet was an accident/unintentional and the parents died shortly afterwards as Domovoi is said to have escorted her from kindergarten to the Fowl's at the age of four.

I'll even venture that perhaps Juliet's birth was complicated and their mother did not survive the childbirth. Afterward, perhaps the grief of losing his wife(?) was to much for Papa Butler and he either left (unlikely) or fell ill shortly afterward and died?

Or perhaps Butler and Juliet are just test tube clone babies.

What's your guys' take?

Chapter 5: The Metal Man and the Monkey

This sounds like an obscure nursery rhyme.
No rants, but there are a few notes.
  • I have a note about a guest house, but I've no idear how or what it was meant to convey/relate to.
  • Can we infer from the Pearson interaction that Spiro cares just marginally about his employees? Or that he recognizes the value of a good employee and keeping his respective business, namely legal and illegal, separate?
  • Poor Loafers should have tried the Belfast charter of Sons of Anarchy :lol:
  • Yeah-no, scratch that. What a jerk. It's surprising he's lasted this long with his attitude without being offed. I doubt he's even Made. Big mouth like his? He'd be gone, efficient metal man or not.
  • Also, isn't the stereotype that Italians and Irish aren't supposed to get along, much less be engaged in the same criminal family?
  • I kind of like Carla a bit. Black suit efficiency and no BS'ing. She brushes a bug off her like whatever, thinking she's seen/done worse in her 25 years. Can we has a dark crime prequel spinoff with her?
  • Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
  • (Go Mulch for character development! :D )

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Ok, so here are my thoughts on chapter 3:
  • Is a bullet clipping someone's temple realistic? I mean I know most of this book is not realistic but just seemed a bit strange to me, but I know very little about shooting.
I sadly have to hand over my Murican card and profess to not being an overtly experienced gunman....however, I watch a ton of Hickok45, so that's basically the same thing, right? :lol:

I'd say it's certainly possible for a temple graze...but I find it more probable a person with Butler's experience would have actually landed a hit or more on Arno. Perhaps nothing immediately fatal, but at least something to knock him down. But then, Arno was probably wearing a vest anyway so... *shrugs*
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Battery » Mon 27th Jul 2020

Re: the age gap situation, it is a big one! I remember saying something during one of the other books about how it seemed odd that Butler saw Artemis as a brother rather than a son, but it makes more sense thinking about how young his actual sister is.

I'm not sure what to think about whether the parents were in the picture while Juliet was a kid; it would seem like they're probably not the warmest and fuzziest family given the way Butler views his own sentimentality at least somewhat as a weakness, fairly often, so it wouldn't be too surprising if he took care of her that way because the parents just didn't really want to. Could even be some of how he ended up a little "softer" than other Butlers/bodyguards, come to think of it.

I always sort of assumed that their father was European and their mother was Asian, and assumed those were the same two people, but it's totally possible that they're blended further back in their family tree than that on one side of the family (or that they have different mothers who were both Asian, etc)
artymon I\/ wrote:Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
My several years of watching tons of British TV taught me that the Girl Guides and the Girl Scouts are pretty much exactly the same thing, just with a different name :lol: It even makes sense for him to be saying either one, considering he's from Ireland (or, you know, thereabouts) but in America, lol

Anyway! Not a lot of notes from my end this week

Chapter 4
  • I wonder how many Butlers there are. How many branches of the family, etc. and if they have any cousins out there currently. Seems like we would have heard of them, but maybe they're not the type to keep up with extended family
  • If they do have living family, especially older living family, I wonder what they think of Juliet's decision to train at Madam Ko's
  • Juliet is dealing with the specter of actually killing people, just like Artemis
Chapter 5
  • I can hear the exaggerated Chicago accents
  • Artemis near the end of TAI described Mulch as a friend, now Mulch is thinking of Artemis as the closest thing he has to a friend. A little bit of a mismatch there, which is interesting. Arty has a lower threshold for what counts as a friend, maybe. Comes from having less experience with having friends? Doesn't seem like Mulch has had many either, though
  • He seems so upset to be thinking of Artemis as maybe someone who could be like a friend. I love this group of cactus people forcibly dragging each other into friendship against all of their will
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Iris » Tue 28th Jul 2020

artymon I\/ wrote:
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I'll even venture that perhaps Juliet's birth was complicated and their mother did not survive the childbirth. Afterward, perhaps the grief of losing his wife(?) was to much for Papa Butler and he either left (unlikely) or fell ill shortly afterward and died?

Or perhaps Butler and Juliet are just test tube clone babies.

What's your guys' take?
Considering the line of work every single Butler is expected to follow, killed/died during duty seems the most likely cause of death to me.
I also imagine their choice to wait with a second child until the first one was a grown-up might be a practical one, rather than an accident. They don't have a job that allows a lot of family life. By waiting this long, you can give (if you stay alive) each child more attention, as the older one will no longer need parenting. It also prevents sibling rivalry when both have to learn martial arts at the same time, which would undoubtedly result in accidents.

Onto notes:
Chapter 4
- That training sounds very extreme. I wonder if it's this tough because she's almost graduated or whether they make 10-yearolds do this too...
- Madam Ko very accurately knows that Principals ignore sound advice.
- If you're unable to shake off a street vendor without killing him, while having all the skills described just a page or two ago, it's fair that you lose the whole assignment. And she got too cocky while fighting those man. I agree with Madam Ko she's not ready.
- I'm glad Madam Ko let her go anyway. I think it's out of respect for Butler.

Chapter 5
- I like how Spiro is respectful of the name Artemis chose instead of rebranding it to make it his own.
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artymon I\/ wrote:
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Can we infer from the Pearson interaction that Spiro cares just marginally about his employees? Or that he recognizes the value of a good employee and keeping his respective business, namely legal and illegal, separate?
He does have them on a dental plan.
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He seems so upset to be thinking of Artemis as maybe someone who could be like a friend. I love this group of cactus people forcibly dragging each other into friendship against all of their will[/list]
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by artymon I\/ » Fri 31st Jul 2020

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Tue 28th Jul 2020
Onto notes:
Chapter 4
- If you're unable to shake off a street vendor without killing him, while having all the skills described just a page or two ago, it's fair that you lose the whole assignment. And she got too cocky while fighting those man. I agree with Madam Ko she's not ready.
- I'm glad Madam Ko let her go anyway. I think it's out of respect for Butler.
It'd be curious to see what Madame Ko's thoughts are! You reckon some part of her is utterly devastated by the implication of "Domovoi needs you"?
And I agree, if Juliet wasn't able to shake off the vendor dude, she wasn't ready. Remember back in the first book how Butler straight up snaps some pickpocket's fingers without a word?

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artymon I\/ wrote:
Sun 26th Jul 2020
Can we infer from the Pearson interaction that Spiro cares just marginally about his employees? Or that he recognizes the value of a good employee and keeping his respective business, namely legal and illegal, separate?
He does have them on a dental plan.
I lol'd a little too hard at that. :lol:


Battery wrote:
Mon 27th Jul 2020
Chapter 4
  • Juliet is dealing with the specter of actually killing people, just like Artemis


Good catch!!
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He seems so upset to be thinking of Artemis as maybe someone who could be like a friend. I love this group of cactus people forcibly dragging each other into friendship against all of their will[/list]
C a c t u s p e o p l e XDDDD

...it's funny because it's accurate.

I'm not sure what to make of the differing definitions of friends for those two.
In a way, they're cut from...maybe not the exact same cloth, but definitely from the same wardrobe. They're resourceful, know how to use a situation to their advantage, and have some social ineptitudes.
Is Artemis's friendship bar set too low? Is Mulch's too high? Are they just unable to recognize the value of the other?
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Iris » Sun 2nd Aug 2020

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I'm not sure what to make of the differing definitions of friends for those two.
In a way, they're cut from...maybe not the exact same cloth, but definitely from the same wardrobe. They're resourceful, know how to use a situation to their advantage, and have some social ineptitudes.
Is Artemis's friendship bar set too low? Is Mulch's too high? Are they just unable to recognize the value of the other?
I imagine it might be because Mulch has been without friends for a couple of centuries, while Artemis is still a kid. Any habit a fairy has will be harder to break, because they will have been doing it for years.

I don't have many notes on this week's chapters, but at least I managed to write them on time~

Chapter 6
- "What could go wrong?" Famous last words.
- I was gonna say Mulch is on a roll with dealing with Loafers, but I wrote that note too soon.
- Juliet is great.

Chapter 7
- Mulch really isn't on a roll at all.
- Root and Mulch have a great relationship. Root wants to yell at someone to relieve his own stress and Mulch likes annoying Root.
- The fairy folk have great laser technology.
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by artymon I\/ » Tue 4th Aug 2020

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I don't have many notes on this week's chapters, but at least I managed to write them on time~


:oops:


Chapter 6: Assault on Fowl Manor

  • I suppose we can start this off with the Big Moral Question: Would you rather be alive but disabled/not yourself or accept death? Did Artemis make the right call? Looking back, it's quite an emotional reaction for him. Not calculated or "necessary" to some scheme.
  • All those menacing teeth images are probably where I developed my image of Mulch as Warwick Davis circa Leprechaun.
  • Tis utterly hysterical he’s able to so easily cow Loafers
  • Jeez, lookit that, Butler's back to consciousness not even a minute and he’s already doing security checks. That's what got you hurt in the first place! It's like that's his job or something.
  • Despite it all, I kind of feel a little bad for Loafers. He really had the deck stacked against him from the start. And can’t we all relate to suddenly having an excessive amount of witnesses popping up to view your nefarious wrong doings?
Chapter 7: Best Laid Plans
  • This probably silly to ask, but where is Angeline during all this? Still at the hospital? I suppose that says a lot that she trusts Artemis and Butler not to get up to much mischief in her absence.
  • If gangs bother you, Root, You could say....the boys are back in town :awesome:
  • You're Welcome :D
  • Relocating Loafers seems a tad extreme. Yes, he's a "bad guy" no doubt. Zero chance of a "natural" redemption arc for him. He could still be missed. I think later on Mulch alludes that he "took care of him" but certainly there'd be other people that might have missed him? What if he had a wife and kid somewhere? A sickly person that depended on his aid? (I say person as I'm assuming he most likely doesn't have family in the States.) Wouldn't using the mesmer to see what he knew/convince him to leave Arty alone be sufficient?


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Chapter 6
- "What could go wrong?" Famous last words.


Bahaha, right? Nice work jinxing it, Artemis xD
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- Juliet is great.


Totally.
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Chapter 7
- Mulch really isn't on a roll at all.


I mean, he had the start of a roll going...then the boulder rolled back onto him. xD
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- Root and Mulch have a great relationship. Root wants to yell at someone to relieve his own stress and Mulch likes annoying Root.
*hysterically snickers whilst debating to unleash a potentially inappropriate observation that may have some actual merit*
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Iris wrote:
Sun 2nd Aug 2020
- Root and Mulch have a great relationship. Root wants to yell at someone to relieve his own stress and Mulch likes annoying Root.
:lol: They're great for each other
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Jeez, lookit that, Butler's back to consciousness not even a minute and he’s already doing security checks. That's what got you hurt in the first place! It's like that's his job or something.
For real, less than a day after the original incident, again he leaves Artemis alone, and again it backfires! Lucky Juliet was there to save him this time, but you'd think he would learn :lol:
artymon I\/ wrote:Relocating Loafers seems a tad extreme. Yes, he's a "bad guy" no doubt. Zero chance of a "natural" redemption arc for him. He could still be missed. I think later on Mulch alludes that he "took care of him" but certainly there'd be other people that might have missed him? What if he had a wife and kid somewhere? A sickly person that depended on his aid? (I say person as I'm assuming he most likely doesn't have family in the States.) Wouldn't using the mesmer to see what he knew/convince him to leave Arty alone be sufficient?
Yeah, I was wondering about family too. I guess the logic is that if they'd just let him loose, the Antonellis or Spiro might have found him and asked why he didn't finish the job/sent him out again, which wouldn't have gone well, but... it does seem a bit extreme!

Chapter 6
  • Imagining this scene from the security guard's perspective is amazing.
  • It's funny, with this book there are some characters (Spiro and Blunt, for example) who I remembered even though I didn't recall much of what they do beyond this point in the plot. Then there are characters like Carla Frazetti, who I didn't remember exactly, but once I read about them it comes back to me and I can't believe I forgot. Then there's Loafers. I don't remember a single thing about Loafers.
  • Artemis volunteering to prepare food for his friend. Aww.
  • "Assault on Fowl Manor" is, in hindsight, a hilarious chapter title considering the contrast to the first book
Chapter 7
  • "Holly—Captain Short." We see you, Artemis.
  • Root has not been convinced to join the group chat, yet
  • Honestly though, if you don't have any family or close friends, the whole relocation business doesn't sound half bad. But only if you don't have family. I hope they checked on that while we weren't looking.
  • Turns out, Loafers also doesn't remember a thing about Loafers!
We're through part 1! Woah! :D I had forgotten by now that this book was split into two parts, it's fun that the break ended up exactly halfway through our schedule. Nicely done, Cabby :awesome:

The break between part 1 and 2 seems like it would make a decent spot to take a break, if anybody wants some extra time to catch up. I'm sure we'd all be 100% fine with waiting for anyone who'd like a week :)
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Post by Battery » Sun 9th Aug 2020

Hey hey happy weekend! :) I managed to get this in on Saturday for once, just under the wire :lol:

So! Kicking off the second part of the book! I took some silly notes this time, apologies
  • Artemis Sr. said ♫ son, when / you grow up / would you be / the savior of the broken... ♫
  • Holly and Juliet have a pretty good back-and-forth going. It's too bad we didn't get to see more of their dynamic.
  • The Spiro Needle, more like the Spire-o, eh? Eh? :awesome:
  • Really, the Academy taught Juliet to do her makeup in under five minutes, but not so much as walk in heels? Feels like it would be a useful skill if she ever had to blend in somewhere fancy
  • I love the pattern of people underestimating Juliet
  • Another pair of characters that always reminds me of a specific FGer. Wonder how <3PEXnCHIPS is doing these days.
  • I keep picturing a real-life tech billionaire as Spiro, which is probably not great
  • Short of a miracle. Ha
On a semi-related note: Guys! Whoever gets the next reply in this thread will have the hundredth post :') Thanks so much for this whole experience, it's been a blast <3
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Post by AFrules12 » Wed 12th Aug 2020

Ok, I've managed to catch up so here are my notes from chapter 4 onwards!! I didn't actually have much to say about them for some reason, so this shouldn't be too long.
  • I find it so strange how the last time I read this book Juliet seemed so old and grown up and now suddenly I'm older than her. Time is so weird.
  • Juliet breaking down barriers and working towards her goals, we love to see it.
  • Butler is such a caring character, but is also trained to be a merciless killer, he really is so interesting.
  • Mention of Concorde, what a throwback! I'm still sad I'll never get the chance to go on it. I wonder if kids reading these books today think they are old-fashioned.
  • Loafers really isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
  • Mulch and Artemis' budding friendship is sweet.
  • Mulch is infuriating, I love him.
  • ahaha at least Artemis tried with the sandwich.
  • Holly and Juliet bonding is lovely to read, I want a spin off with these two!
  • I don't remember much of this book at all, but for some reason I have really clear memories of Pex and Chips, no idea why!
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artymon I\/ wrote:Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
My several years of watching tons of British TV taught me that the Girl Guides and the Girl Scouts are pretty much exactly the same thing, just with a different name :lol: It even makes sense for him to be saying either one, considering he's from Ireland (or, you know, thereabouts) but in America, lol
See, this stood out to me when I read as well, my copy also says Girl Guides, and Battery is right, as far as I know they're the same as American Girl Scouts. But Girl Guides don't sell cookies. It's just not a thing they do. And if they did sell the exact same types of cookies girl scouts sell, they'd be called biscuits here. So that sentence just doesn't really make sense to british people! But there are enough references to girl scout cookies in various media that it's easy to understand what they're referring to, but I think it would have been more accurate to use scout instead of guide.
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  • This probably silly to ask, but where is Angeline during all this? Still at the hospital? I suppose that says a lot that she trusts Artemis and Butler not to get up to much mischief in her absence.
I was wondering about this! I feel like still at the hospital is pretty likely. You'd really think hiring a permanent bodyguard would keep your child out of trouble, but apparently not!
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I'll even venture that perhaps Juliet's birth was complicated and their mother did not survive the childbirth. Afterward, perhaps the grief of losing his wife(?) was to much for Papa Butler and he either left (unlikely) or fell ill shortly afterward and died?

Or perhaps Butler and Juliet are just test tube clone babies.

What's your guys' take?
Considering the line of work every single Butler is expected to follow, killed/died during duty seems the most likely cause of death to me.
I also imagine their choice to wait with a second child until the first one was a grown-up might be a practical one, rather than an accident. They don't have a job that allows a lot of family life. By waiting this long, you can give (if you stay alive) each child more attention, as the older one will no longer need parenting. It also prevents sibling rivalry when both have to learn martial arts at the same time, which would undoubtedly result in accidents.
That would be so practical, which I think suits the Butler family, and really does make a lot of sense!
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  • I wonder how many Butlers there are. How many branches of the family, etc. and if they have any cousins out there currently. Seems like we would have heard of them, but maybe they're not the type to keep up with extended family
If they do have family, it seems like they are all in similar lines of work, so I really would not be surprised if they just randomly bumped into each other at fancy events and things when they are with their principals. I just think that would be so funny.
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  • Artemis Sr. said ♫ son, when / you grow up / would you be / the savior of the broken... ♫
Ahahaha I love it!!! Fits so well.
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[*]The Spiro Needle, more like the Spire-o, eh? Eh? :awesome:
:lol: Eoin missed a trick!

Ok, so that's that, it's good to be caught up again!

Also sorry for taking the 100th post, as I've only just joined the read-along, but I knew if I didn't post this now, I'd never get round to it!
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Post by Iris » Sun 16th Aug 2020

Welcome back, Affy :D

Alright, I'm on my phone, so brief notes on chapter 8. I might edit them later on the laptop:
- He was kind of a hero in the last book.
- Further evidence Spiro's employees are relatively well looked after! Even more benefits beyond the dental plan. Day care centers and stock options. We can hardly call him the villain in this book, can we?
- Running in heels was a skill I expected from Juliet
- Spiro was upset with the pilot for sharing information, but is happy to gloat himself.
- I remember Pax and Chips :D Remembering how much money Frazetti charges is a great achievement for them.
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Post by artymon I\/ » Mon 17th Aug 2020

So I've done Chapter 8, I'm not even sure where we're supposed to be at, at this point...I think we were supposed to have 9 and 10 done this week? Idk, it'll work out eventually :lol:

But here you go! :D

Part 2: Counterattack

Chapter 8: Hooks, Lines, and Sinkers
  • A dream-like state to plot, eh? Sounds like foreshadowing.
  • I forget, whatever did happen to Artemis/Holly's gold medallion? I'm fairly certain he has it back in book 5...but it's never mentioned what happens to it when he gets wiped. Unless the CD was inside the medallion then gives it to Mulch...? I dunno. Maybe it was in a safety deposit box.
  • Spiro is a villain at a crossroads; he's old enough to have seen/experienced "the Old Days" and has gone through the motions to reinvent/adapt himself into the modern day cat and mouse era of villainy. Despite this, we get hints that he's tired of it all, mo' money mo' problems and all that. He longs for simplicity.
  • On the stolen Titanic doors: You know what, at least he's putting them to better use than letting them deteriorate at the bottom of the ocean. (Though, there is the argument that the Titanic is essentially a gravesite...so....best keep salt handy to ward off ghosts.)
  • Even with the Spiro backstab notwithstanding, "Mo" probably wouldn't have had a very long life expectancy if he went back to the Antonellis...I can't imagine they'd take kindly to Loafers being...taken care of...by Mo. Not without good cause anyhow. Then again, knowing what an idjit Loafy was...maybe they'd be grateful and give him a raise.
  • Very irresponsible of Spiro to assume the line was dead. What if Artemis just put his end on mute and heard Spiro and Blunt cackle about double crossing Arty?
  • *guilty snickers at Juliet's jade hair ring* And not a mocking snicker either, mind. I do wonder though, how much does it weigh? Don't want some heavy stone yanking on your hair constantly...
  • Annnnd now I'm getting some J/H vibes. Definitely a joke we could make there.
  • Yes, Mulch, I agree, you're the unsung hero that gets shtuff done. ;)
  • Cockup, scuppered, omg, UK/Brit terms are too funny.
  • Wouldn't that be a little awkward if Juliet and Holly took down Arno in Arty's Leer with Spiro and his goons literally right next door? Hm...actually, why not just mesmer Spiro then and there? Simpler than this over-elaborate Return-of-the-Jedi-wookie-prisoner-gag routine.
  • Yeah, Arno, sure, go ahead and hit the guy controlling the 11 to 22 thousand pound death machine of whirling blades as he attempts to land in high winds slapping you all about. I'm sure nothing bad could happen. Solid plan.
  • Dicey situation with "Mo" and Spiro. Let's put ourselves in Spiro's expensive white suit and just pretend "Mo" might have an inkling of the Cube's value. How is Spiro to be so sure that Mo didn't already tell his crime family partners about the Cube? And that by him going "missing" would/could trigger an alarm and a violent response from the Antonellis seeking vengeance? Seems risky, but what else can you do? I guess he's just over confident in his security systems.
  • Juliet's patriotism seems a tad off. Like...okay, you might have been born there but your home for the most part seems to be Ireland. Seems more of a sentimental/rose tinted glasses love than a genuine deep rooted born, bred, and raised Murican love. Course, she does seem to have violent tendencies influenced by American television wrestling programs. *shrugs*

"Di' your shiendishds geh de Cube worging?"
Jesus, Arno, if we got the Cube working, we wouldn't need to hire the Antonellis to kidnap the kid! Try to keep up, man!
Don't call me Arty, thought Artemis. My father calls me Arty.
So does your mom, Juliet, Holly.



Annnd I just remembered something about Pex and Chips...I forget which one it was...Do we learn in the next chapter? Or is it later on? *maniacal snickering*

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So! Kicking off the second part of the book! I took some silly notes this time, apologies
By all means, take as many silly notes as you can! :D
Battery wrote:
Sun 9th Aug 2020
  • The Spiro Needle, more like the Spire-o, eh? Eh? :awesome:
Lulz.
Battery wrote:
Sun 9th Aug 2020
  • Really, the Academy taught Juliet to do her makeup in under five minutes, but not so much as walk in heels? Feels like it would be a useful skill if she ever had to blend in somewhere fancy
And considering she likely would have to blend into fancy places as a bodyguard. And considering as being associated with the Fowls, she likely would have attended a few formal events. And hang on, didn't she win the Sugar Beet thing in 1999?

I suppose flats would be more practical.

....Odin's beard, why am I putting so much thought into women's shoes? :lol:
Battery wrote:
Sun 9th Aug 2020
  • I keep picturing a real-life tech billionaire as Spiro, which is probably not great
Now that you mention it, I get proto-Obadiah Stane vibes from Spiro.
AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
  • I find it so strange how the last time I read this book Juliet seemed so old and grown up and now suddenly I'm older than her. Time is so weird.
Right? Ugh, what's sad is she has her life more together then than I did xD
.....*coughordonowcough*....


AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
  • Butler is such a caring character, but is also trained to be a merciless killer, he really is so interesting.
Tis a curious line he balances upon.
AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
  • Loafers really isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.
But he's got heart and a smile wider than a peeled banana! :awesome:
AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
  • Mulch and Artemis' budding friendship is sweet.
  • Mulch is infuriating, I love him.
Sweet and sour, Mulch is. Lol

AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
  • Holly and Juliet bonding is lovely to read, I want a spin off with these two!
I'd read that.
AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
Battery wrote:
Mon 27th Jul 2020
artymon I\/ wrote:Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
My several years of watching tons of British TV taught me that the Girl Guides and the Girl Scouts are pretty much exactly the same thing, just with a different name :lol: It even makes sense for him to be saying either one, considering he's from Ireland (or, you know, thereabouts) but in America, lol
See, this stood out to me when I read as well, my copy also says Girl Guides, and Battery is right, as far as I know they're the same as American Girl Scouts. But Girl Guides don't sell cookies. It's just not a thing they do. And if they did sell the exact same types of cookies girl scouts sell, they'd be called biscuits here. So that sentence just doesn't really make sense to british people! But there are enough references to girl scout cookies in various media that it's easy to understand what they're referring to, but I think it would have been more accurate to use scout instead of guide.
I suppose we could say Mulch is just getting his human groups confused. Lol, biscuits. I always remember reading Order of the Phoenix and McGonagle telling Harry to have a biscuit and going what the heck? Then later I learned the cookie/biscuit thing. Still so random!
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Wed 12th Aug 2020
Also sorry for taking the 100th post, as I've only just joined the read-along, but I knew if I didn't post this now, I'd never get round to it!
By all means, take it! :D
Iris wrote:
Sun 16th Aug 2020
- Running in heels was a skill I expected from Juliet
I love we're all equally perturbed by her lack of heel skills.
Iris wrote:
Sun 16th Aug 2020
- Spiro was upset with the pilot for sharing information, but is happy to gloat himself.
*gasps* Spiro would never reveal pertinent information...and even if he did, there's nothing Artemis could do! Spiro is supreme!
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

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artymon I\/ wrote:
Mon 17th Aug 2020
So I've done Chapter 8, I'm not even sure where we're supposed to be at, at this point...I think we were supposed to have 9 and 10 done this week? Idk, it'll work out eventually :lol:
We're really missing Cabby :lol: I'll take the liberty to edit her schedule and post it here.
Week 1: 6th July - Prologue, Chapter 1 & 2 (37 pages)
week 2: 13th July - Chapter 3 (58 pages)
Week 3: 20th July - Chapter 4 & 5 (30 pages)
Week 4: 27th July - Chapter 6 & 7 (34 pages)
Week 5: 3rd August - Break
Week 6: 10th August - Chapter 8 (35 pages)
Week 7: 17th August - Chapter 9 (46 pages)
Week 8: 24th August - Chapter 10 (47 pages)
Week 9: 31st August - Chapter 11, 12 & epilogue (36 pages)
If required, we can take another break, of course.
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

Post by Battery » Wed 19th Aug 2020

^ Good call, I'll edit that into the original post! Thanks :)
AFrules12 wrote:
Wed 12th Aug 2020
Battery wrote:
Mon 27th Jul 2020
artymon I\/ wrote:Hm....think we found another difference. In my OG Yankee copy, I distinctly recall Mulch making the joke he'd be selling cookies for Girl Scouts. Here, he says Girl Guides. ??????????
My several years of watching tons of British TV taught me that the Girl Guides and the Girl Scouts are pretty much exactly the same thing, just with a different name :lol: It even makes sense for him to be saying either one, considering he's from Ireland (or, you know, thereabouts) but in America, lol
See, this stood out to me when I read as well, my copy also says Girl Guides, and Battery is right, as far as I know they're the same as American Girl Scouts. But Girl Guides don't sell cookies. It's just not a thing they do. And if they did sell the exact same types of cookies girl scouts sell, they'd be called biscuits here. So that sentence just doesn't really make sense to british people! But there are enough references to girl scout cookies in various media that it's easy to understand what they're referring to, but I think it would have been more accurate to use scout instead of guide.
Oh that totally makes sense! Went over my head entirely :lol: Interesting then that Mulch has spent enough time absorbing American culture to know about girl scout cookies. They are a pretty good part of American culture though, to be fair XD
AFRules12 wrote:Also sorry for taking the 100th post, as I've only just joined the read-along, but I knew if I didn't post this now, I'd never get round to it!
No need to apologize, you're 100% a part of this! <3 Glad you're still with us and congrats on #100 ^_^
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- Further evidence Spiro's employees are relatively well looked after! Even more benefits beyond the dental plan. Day care centers and stock options. We can hardly call him the villain in this book, can we?
...This has actually dispelled my mental image of him as the real-life tech billionaire, thank you :lol:
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  • A dream-like state to plot, eh? Sounds like foreshadowing.
  • I forget, whatever did happen to Artemis/Holly's gold medallion? I'm fairly certain he has it back in book 5...but it's never mentioned what happens to it when he gets wiped. Unless the CD was inside the medallion then gives it to Mulch...? I dunno. Maybe it was in a safety deposit box.
Absolutely do not take my word as an authority on this, but I feel like I remember that the coin itself gets made into the disc for Mulch? But again that's decade-old memories I'm going by :lol: Does make me excited to go through the rest of this book and TOD, though :D
artymon I\/ wrote:Very irresponsible of Spiro to assume the line was dead. What if Artemis just put his end on mute and heard Spiro and Blunt cackle about double crossing Arty?
True!! This is some Cudgeon bragging to Foaly while Trouble Kelp is just through the doorway nonsense, Spiro
artymon I\/ wrote:Yeah, Arno, sure, go ahead and hit the guy controlling the 11 to 22 thousand pound death machine of whirling blades as he attempts to land in high winds slapping you all about. I'm sure nothing bad could happen. Solid plan.
XD
artymon I\/ wrote:Juliet's patriotism seems a tad off. Like...okay, you might have been born there but your home for the most part seems to be Ireland. Seems more of a sentimental/rose tinted glasses love than a genuine deep rooted born, bred, and raised Murican love. Course, she does seem to have violent tendencies influenced by American television wrestling programs. *shrugs*
I kind of love the idea of Artemis and Butler being appropriately proper/sophisticated while out to lunch with Juliet, while she plows her way through a loaded cheeseburger while wearing an American flag shirt
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AFrules12 wrote: I find it so strange how the last time I read this book Juliet seemed so old and grown up and now suddenly I'm older than her. Time is so weird.
Right? Ugh, what's sad is she has her life more together then than I did xD
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Re: Artemis Fowl Read-Along

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Hola, sorry for my tardiness :oops:

Chapter 9: Ghosts in the Machine
  • I really want to know what Pex yelled at the walnut.
  • I now have a vision of the dwarf sized hole literally only being one or two feet deep...i.e., small enough that he'd just be able to crawl out anyway xD
  • Pex and Chips forgot about Mulch...whaddya reckon he could have just casually walked away and that would’ve been the end of it? [/\rtynote: But that wouldn’t have been part of The Plan ]
  • What other "jobs" have these guys had to pull...well the what is obvious....I suppose why is better. Is the phone business that competitive? *glances at various iPhone/Samsung commercials* Oh. Maybe it is then.
  • I love Mulch readily has a plethora of synonyms for drivel off the top of his head....which is fitting as drivel and waffle are his specialties.
  • “Turn up the music” Don’t we all, Pex, don’t we all…
I really want to know how that phone call would’ve gone :lol:

Blunt: Are you done?
Chips: Uh...no.
B: [frowning] What's the problem?
C: Uh, well, the prisoner is surly and being mean. He's calling us names and being smart with us.
B: SO KILL HIM.
C: Oh. Yeah, okay sir.

(Okay, I guess it wouldn’t be that L O L –y, but still. I like to imagine this has had to have happened at least enough times that Blunt has had a year or two of life exasperated off of him.)

Also,
“Got everything coming to me.”
STOP IT, ROXANNE.

Roxy: ;)

One more bit before returning to the list –
This whole scene with Pex, Chips, and Mulch, it dances just a dram into being quite dark for a ‘children’s’ book. Not anything that’s said or done, but rather…the implications of it. At that, P&C come right out and put it to print.
There followed a short silence as Pex and Chips tried to come up with something worse than the usual straight shooting.
Could you imagine if a gangland style execution was legit depicted here? I started writing something, then kinda thought better of it.
I’m not complaining at all, mind. More, I’m more inclined to be proud of Eoin for sneaking it in there.
I’m probably overanalyzing it, but that’s a bit of brain candy for you to chew on.
  • Ah, so if Chips is into Barney, then Pex must have been the Hooker! :D
  • Even Pex and Chips are boomer enough to hate the young folk, lol. How old do you reckon they are? 30s, 40s? What sort of career or work did they do pre-Spiro? Club bouncers? Professional weight lifters that burned out? Or ‘roided out?
    (100% fair game to reference steroids as Artemis does later on)
The girl twisted her ponytail. 'As much as any of us can, like, own anything. One world, one people, right, man? Ownership is, like, you know, an illusion. Maybe we don't even own our own bodies. We could be, like, the daydreams of some greater spirit.'
Well, damn, Juliet, I wasn’t expecting to have to start questioning life and philosophizing. You go take that drivel back to Socrates!

  • Deep frying sushi. *snickers, feeling the Murican Freedom cry of an Eagle*
  • “Assassin” is an awful lofty term for these two.
  • My copy keeps saying “van” ….and I think that is the term used in my OG Yankee copy…but this vehicle sounds more like an RV or similar small-scale motorhome.
  • Foaly considers Artemis enough of an equal that he's pleased to know he's needed. That Artemis’s opinion of the centaur warrants him as being a necessary factor in the operation. Foaly loves all this just as much as Holly.
  • The way Holly takes point, I think we can infer Artemis told Holly more about the plan than the others.
    It's little things like her taking point on the plan, briefing with Juliet and Mulch, and the "spooky" smile that I can get A/H shipping. / totally get on board with! :D
  • How much do you think Artemis knew? Those canisters of knockout/paralyzing gas would've had to have taken some time to acquire, unless Holly just happened to have them in her Recon kit. [Editing /\rty: Oh he knew.]
  • For all his external projections that may suggest otherwise, Mulch is a professional in his trade.
A stab at math:

Juliet and Mulch travel to the 85th floor, I believe. They begin their ascent at 4:05am and it ends at 4:20am*. This means it took the pair approximately 15 minutes to climb 85 stories. The average storey is 14ft. 85 stories equates to roughly 1190 feet…which puts Mulch’s average speed as being able to climb 77 feet per minute, or to break it down even more, 1.3 feet per second. All this from a dude not even three feet tall, with a passenger twice his size.

*It should be noted that we get the time 4:20am only after Mulch and Juliet gain access after scuttling along the window for what could reasonably be assumed as anywhere from two to five minutes. (Which means my proposed rate of climb is most certainly off.)
Since we're at it, we may as well note they technically start from the roof of their "van" which roughly puts them at starting from maybe 10-14 feet...meaning in less than 15 minutes, Mulch scaled 84 stories...not 85.
  • I hate to come off as a misogynist, but man, Juliet is really earning her TOB status. Not the most tactical lass, getting (almost) busted by a security camera instantly. Along with butting heads with Holly and generally not offering more to the plan than seemingly rounding out the team numbers. Come to think of it, in the first book, she got capped by Holly by foolishly taking her sunnies off.
  • A little more math: Over 2000 cameras in the building…Spiro Needle has 86 floors…but no cameras on his penthouse floor (typical) so that’s 23.5 cameras per floor.
  • ”Panther-like,” hehehe. That’s the same description used with Butler. In one of the other books anyway.
  • It’s interesting that Pex (or Chips) would have been able to reveal much information of any use. Do you reckon they gave up more information than they knew they had? Like a Limitless style thing where they might see/hear things but don’t consciously register/utilize them?
    Seems dodgy, putting a somewhat crucial part of The Plan to the chance these guys know what they’re talking about.
  • YOU HAVE ONE JOB, JULIET. ONE JOB. CAN YOU PLEASE TRY NOT TO GET CAUGHT
  • ….sorry….
  • I don’t blame you, Holly. Too many variables indeed. But you’d go anyway.
  • Follow the laser, Foolproof. Another nod to the first book.

Chapter 10: Fingers and Thumbs
  • The bromance between Foaly and Artemis is for real.
  • Foaly was doing DeepFakes before it was cool.
  • Holly is totally channeling her inner-Root with Foaly.
  • So in theory, a sleeper deeper could keep someone awake...or keep someone in a specific cycle of sleep. So if someone was in the middle of a gnarly nightmare and the Sleeper Deeper is deployed....that unfortunate napper's nightmare is sustained indefinitely? Sounds mildly dangerous, depending on the person's nightmare and heart condition.
  • I'll give Eoin this one: Now by this point, us veterans know it's not Spiro and we may question how Artemis doesn't recognize him. Would you be able to recognize / discredit an imposter of someone in the middle of the night you had only "met" twice?
  • *cough*besidesthefactthatapparentlythisisallpartofArtemis’sPlananyway*cough*
  • I could easily see in an "updated" version with the fairies having a (portable) 3D scanner / printer capable of perfectly replicating the hand.
  • Eh, don't worry, Holly. If you mess it up, then maybe we could give (fake!)Spiro a hook for a hand. Pex would dig it :lol:
  • At this point, it would’ve been easier just to Mesmerize "Spiro"
  • Y’know, Artemis is more honest than we give him credit. Yes, he deceived/misled Holly with the scanner, but he could easily have passed that off as an underestimation of Spiro’s security. “How was I to know he’d have a gel scanner?” It circles back to something I asked before: How much had Artemis planned/anticipated beforehand in Ireland? Sounds like a good majority and the “tour” was simply a formality/a confirmation of his suspicions.
    Ultimately, we can conclude that Artemis’s pride for being right is more important than being perceived as incompetent (and possibly instilling any doubts in his team over his plotting abilities)
  • And how, Holly, should magic be used in your opinion? So vague B&E is okay, suppressing a person’s free will through Mesmer is okay, but temporarily slicing a finger off is negligible/crossing the line?
  • If Cudgeon were still around and caught wind of this, he’d bio-bomb the block and bat nary an eye.
  • *snickering at the Hook vs Barney bit* Pex was the OG Hooker before Colin O’Donoghue made it cool(er). Respect.
  • Holly default punching Artemis when things don’t go as expected.
  • All of a sudden, I’m having this plot twist notion: Knowing the mind wipes are imminent, Artemis decides to throw his lot in with Spiro or runs off with the Cube, a fresh start on his life on the horizon.
  • *gasp* It’s a trap? What a surprise!
  • Soooo back in Ireland (we’ll assume, why not?) Artemis concocted this Plan B and specifically had Holly tell Foaly “Btw, just in case it’s a trap and Artemis gets caught and things go sideways, you’ll remotely takeover the Cube and assume its identity and if Spiro asks about the LEP, tell him it’s a Lebanese TV Network.”
    And no one raised an eyebrow to wonder if that was just a little too much foresight?
'Don't make me laugh. They haven't invented a unit of time short enough to measure how long it will take me to crack the Phonetix hard disk.'
A Planck, Foaly. It’s called Planck time. Quantum physics, dude, look it up.
*dubiously glances at Cab* Right?
  • Anyone else feel like Plan B had more planning than Plan A? I suppose we can argue that the variables in Spiro Needle were too unknown, that it was inevitable/highly likely for discovery/capture thus Artemis thoroughly detailed Plan B in a more “controlled” location i.e., Phonetix. It’s akin to TLC where he nudges that demon dude Billy Kong(?) into going to Taipei 101.
  • Incompetent Phonetix security is incompetent. Two guys in the whole building and neither one caught the intruders.
  • What, there aren’t stairs that lead down to the super secret lab? OSHA would have a field day.
  • S u p e r s e c r e t l a b. WHY. Again, is the phone business really that competitive? My dudes, they’re all about the same phone that’ll die in six months, just in time to get the updated model.
  • I don’t think I’m understanding Juliet’s plan. How is blowing the doors down there going to be any help? xD
    IS SHE DEVIATING FROM THE PLAN???
  • (I swear I don’t mean to be riding her. Apparently I need to ride at least one character per book. This time it’s Juliet :lol: )
  • How considerate of Spiro to permit Artemis a monologue.
  • Playing the shoulder game. That’s honestly so wholesome and utterly adorable. XD
  • And here it is at last, with Artemis using the chaos in lab as cover to fudge Mulch’s criminal record, I think we can safely say Plan “B” was Artemis’s true intention the entire time.
  • Ten seconds a character is quite a lot of time when you consider most passwords now have to be anyway from 8 to 16 characters. Especially in a battle climate, which can end as fast as it starts.
  • Juliet coming to terms with not being “perfect” / equal to her brother’s standards. And being okay with it.
  • Oooh, a grudge match between the Jade Princess and Blunt Teeth! BT hurt her big bro! It’s sooo personal! (How did that go in the first book? Lolol)
    (Is it really a grudge match if Blunt doesn’t even recognize her/know who she is?)
  • Captain Hook would’ve kicked everyone’s butts.
  • Brakes? Where we’re going we won’t need…brakes.
  • I’m a little sad Root doesn’t have as big a role as in the first or second…especially considering what’s to come :(
*pants* Alright. So there we have it.
A big thing that threw me here was that I took at face value that “Plan B” was a Plan B and accordingly took my notes in such a fashion, as I went back over them, it became clear some were obviously illogical/ non-noteworthy…

Part of this stems from a crucial detail: Inside the Needle, it's specifically pointed out that Artemis can talk to Holly and co., but it's not two-way communication. Meaning they can't plot as effectively with back and forth scheming. That they would have to have a lot of this plotted out beforehand.

Again, a lot happens here! Artemis is captured, rescued, the Cube is cracked and recovered!
It might have been a tad more fun to mess with us the reader that perhaps the Cube did go rogue and decide to help Spiro…but again, that prolly would have been too obvious a ploy for us to buy.

A retrospective note is that it’s awful convenient Spiro and Co. were so open with their passcodes. No attempt to fox or shield the hand tapping the numbers.



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Iris wrote:
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- Further evidence Spiro's employees are relatively well looked after! Even more benefits beyond the dental plan. Day care centers and stock options. We can hardly call him the villain in this book, can we?
...This has actually dispelled my mental image of him as the real-life tech billionaire, thank you :lol:
Lol, now my image of Spiro is essentially aging businessman looking to escape the 9-5 grind. xD
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artymon I\/ wrote:Juliet's patriotism seems a tad off. Like...okay, you might have been born there but your home for the most part seems to be Ireland. Seems more of a sentimental/rose tinted glasses love than a genuine deep rooted born, bred, and raised Murican love. Course, she does seem to have violent tendencies influenced by American television wrestling programs. *shrugs*
I kind of love the idea of Artemis and Butler being appropriately proper/sophisticated while out to lunch with Juliet, while she plows her way through a loaded cheeseburger while wearing an American flag shirt
….headcanon accepted. xD
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